[GoLUG] Mailing list, long term.

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 13:13:23 -0700
Ron <ron at bclug.ca> wrote:

> Steve Litt wrote on 2025-08-17 20:21:
> 
> >>> At this point, allow me to introduce the Litt Principle. After 
> >>> you've found a bunch of "solutions" that don't meet your needs, 
> >>> the time arrives where best use of your time is to roll your 
> >>> own.  
> >> 
> >> Today I Learned - systemd used the Litt Principle.  
> > 
> > I investigated a heck of a lot more alternatives than the systemd 
> > people did. They investigated sysvinit and upstart, and called it a 
> > day.  
> 
> Citation on what they investigated?

https://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html

upstart and sysvinit are mentioned, runit and OpenRC are strangely
absent. This is one of hundreds or citations that adopted this same
false choice, but it's as easy for you to look up these 2011 to 2016
pro-systemd discussions as it is for me.

> And yet multiple teams of Linux experts at Canonical, RedHat, etc.
> were looking to replace it.
> 
> Who are we to think has greater knowledge on the topic?

Me. Seriously. The inability to distinguish between PID1 and the
service manager/supervisor shows them to be either idiots, or
for-profit Linux companies wanting to profit from the
hypercomplexification of Linux.

> Also, I'll draw your attention to the fact that we're not in the 00's
> anymore. Shockingly, technology requirements change over decades.

And?????

> You're basically looking at a Ford F150 and whining that there were
> perfectly good bicycles they could have built it upon.

No, what I'm doing is looking at a straightforward workhorse 1985 Ford
F150 and a 2025 Ford F150 where everything depends on everything else,
and saying "what was so bad about the 1985 Ford F150". And before you
mention it, yes, enough computerization to give us 25 to 30 mpg with
little smog is essential today, but that's a lot less than the
monolithic entanglement of modern cars.


SteveT

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