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27 Aug 2025 09:36:38 Ron <ron at bclug.ca>:

> It does mention Upstart, which you consistently fail to do. Why were there two competing tools developed? Your only answer seems to be a conspiracy theory.

SysV was pretty bad for end users to easily use. Systemd isn't much better for end users but perhaps for developers. Runit is better for both, the best possible probably not but the best I have used on Linux which is pretty much just openrc, sysv, upstart, daemontools with qmail and systemd.

I believe systemd was developed for cloud system usage. Upstart I guess for end users but not sure. Ubuntus CEO said he wanted to stick with Upstart but Debians decision (coerced decision) was the end. Upstart like systemd wasn't much better certainly for end users than sysv unfortunately. Debian switched to systemd because great efforts and lies like being much faster when ssds were the real reason or gnome packages depending on systemd had meant Debian devs had switched some things to systemd without an official decision. Better to ask forgiveness kind of thing. Well it worked and now it's a mess.