[GoLUG] "Who are we to think has greater knowledge on the topic?" "Me. Seriously" -- Steve Litt

[Ron]

Steve Litt wrote on 2025-08-20 15:36:

>> Citation on what they investigated?
> 
> https://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html
> 
> upstart and sysvinit are mentioned, runit and OpenRC are strangely 
> absent.

That's an interesting read, I recommend it to everyone, but is *not* an
attempt to enumerate the options they investigated. Nothing strange 
about not listing every vaguely similar tool in existence; it's strange 
to expect it.


It does mention Upstart, which you consistently fail to do. Why were 
there two competing tools developed? Your only answer seems to be a 
conspiracy theory.



If they'd forked runit and ended up with systemd, would there still be a
jihad against it over a decade later?


If Upstart won out, would you be on a jihad against that instead?



> Steve Litt wrote on 2025-08-17 10:55:
> 
> At this point, allow me to introduce the Litt Principle. After 
> you've found a bunch of "solutions" that don't meet your needs, the 
> time arrives where best use of your time is to roll your own.

So, the Litt Principle only applies to people named Litt?

Or does application of the Litt Principle require approval of someone 
named "Litt"?


While I agree with the principle, your application of it is a joke.



>> And yet multiple teams of Linux experts at Canonical, RedHat,
>> etc. were looking to replace it.
>> 
>> Who are we to think has greater knowledge on the topic?
> 
> Me.

Seriously?



> Seriously.

Utter madness.

QAnon adjacent madness:

"The experts are idiots"
"I know more than the experts"
"There's this giant conspiracy..."


Never seen a greater LUG-related example of the Dunning Kruger effect.


This whole thread seems to have begun because you can't manage the tech 
stack for an email list. Even on Mailman2, never mind the monstrous 
Mailman3.

You point to SPF, DKIM, and DMARC, which are pretty easy, instead of the 
1000+ postfix options.  Weird, it's only newer stuff that's too complicated.





> The inability to distinguish between PID1 and the service manager/
> supervisor shows them to be either idiots, or for- profit Linux
> companies wanting to profit from the hypercomplexification of Linux.

You've certainly identified idiots in technology.  Just not in the 
manner you expected.


No mention of "hypercomplexification" of X11, which even Xorg won't deal 
with any more. Never mind the security implications of every window 
seeing inputs to every other window.


No mention of the archaic bash syntax, with its inscrutable ~6500 lines 
of man pages and virtually no helpful examples.  Again, it's old, overly 
complex, and no complaints.


Almost like you fossilized a decade or more ago and anything new is 
unacceptable.