[GoLUG] LLMs can't reason

[David Billsbrough]

Sorry I going to top-post but this is a busy week and I don't have the time to make this all 'pretty.'


So I had to check out just how 'big' a single serving of a KING COBRA beer has to be to deserve its name!

  either a 25oz can or a 40oz bottle .... whooooa .... mama!

 that means that the 'subject' well into the third 'can' has in a single-setting has polished off a legacy "six-pack" solo ....

To me the average American might be able to 'reason' just fine if at least two or three days out of the week, if
they were sober enough to try to reason something/anything out.  I am thinking that self-medication might be part
of the problem.


regards,

David
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-----Original Message-----
 
From: Ron <admin at bclug.ca>
Sent: Jun 10, 2025 4:19 PM
To: <golug at golug.org>
Subject: Re: [GoLUG] LLMs can't reason

Steve Litt wrote on 2025-06-10 13:11:

> I could easily make the argument that human beings can't reason.
> Humans use different mental tools than LLMs, but I would say that
> for questions asked in text form, LLMs' reasoning is well above the
> reasoning of the median human.

> > Let's compare the LLM to the guy next door on his afternoon's third
> can of King Cobra, rather than comparing it to Isaac Newton or
> Albert Einstein.

Well said, cannot agree more.


The fact that LLMs are asked to do things that are inappropriate for an
LLM isn't a strike against LLMs, but against those pesky humans.



>>> "https://youtu.be/biUfMZ2dts8?si=3DpXpPfn3-htuPHKPJ"
>> >> I question some of his assumptions: mainly around the 12 minute
>> mark, he seems to deny or wave away spiritual (supernatural)
>> reality.

I didn't watch the video, but since things asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, waving away spiritual / supernatural phenomena should be the default position, no?

Burden of proof, etc.

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